Classrooms to Chaos: An Epidemic of Teen Violence? | Awake at the Wheel | Ep 55

They are telling them not only are you allowed to do it, but it's as I said earlier, it's righteous to do it. Somehow these kids are rationalizing their reprehensible behavior as something else, whether it's well, it's my turn now. I've been oppressed for so many years, so I get to do it or, well, they just happen to be a white supremacist, so I'm going to kick the shit out of them Hello and welcome to Awake at the Wheel. So in today's episode, we're going to be further exploring some of the bad behavior that's going on out there in society. And in preparing for this podcast, I was really pondering this, and we've spoken about this before, this this increase in bad behavior. Are we just seeing it more or is it truly happening? Is it truly becoming more permissible? And when it comes to young people, I think that historically there's been the idea that, you know, young boys are up to mischief and, you know, who even know from a psychological perspective that mischief isn't necessarily a bad thing in small doses. But I think that there is a fine line between healthy mischief and some of the things that are going on out there in the world. And increasingly, we're seeing more and more in the news about young girls and young teen girls really getting into some some major trouble. So we're going to watch a video about a recent case that's taken place in Toronto, and then we'll talk some more about it. So the first thing that comes to mind here is what do you mean? The school said that there's nothing that we can do about this. Right. And to tie this back to what we've spoken about in other episodes. The school is doing plenty about non-issues when it comes to, you know, the overemphasis on race and discrimination when it comes to math and science and whatever. There's there's plenty being done about that. But then there's, you know, real violence, real injury taking place, and they throw their hands up and say there's nothing that we can do as a as a parent. That's the thing that stands out to me the most is there's no excuse for that. You know, things happen. And if it was spontaneous, it's not okay, but okay, I can have some understanding of it. But there is they were forewarned and yet nothing was done. This video is it's enraging. It touches upon so many points that we've talked about in other videos. And, you know, people we've spoken to so many teachers and principals, the good ones, the bad ones don't come to therapy. It doesn't seem like the good one because they've seen what has happened to a system to a career, to a vocation that they've committed so much of their their life to. And they've seen that they're being handcuffed, they're worse than handcuffed. They're being punished for trying to do anything to actually make things right. And I'm telling you right now, I don't care the color of the skin, of the kids, of the teachers, whatever. If you have good teachers who can connect with students, who can be role models for those students, again, it doesn't matter the color of your skin, your sex, anything like that. If you can really be a solid presence in their life, you have a chance to, you know, to mitigate some of the horrible behaviors and attitudes that we're seeing. But those good teachers, they're burning out because there are way too many bad teachers out there, bad principals, bad trustees, school boards and politicians in Ontario, especially the provincial government, has failed miserably. Okay, Stephen, let's say sorry, but I don't know what the hell you're doing, but you're not doing your job. Doug Ford I don't know what what people expected from him, but especially when it comes to education, he is not delivering at all. And I think I'm allowed to say that. I think the I think the records speak for themselves. And I think so many parents and teachers and everyone else can support what I'm saying. And one of the things that happened, though, when we talk about violence specifically and I am going to name a name Desmond Cole, he is an activist. He used to be on like certain like, let's say, I think radio stations and he's had positions and I'm sure he has a good heart, but he advocated for no more police in the schools. He got the police taken out of schools because having school police in the schools is racist. Yeah, Yeah. And we don't want to oversimplify the topic, and I understand there's probably going to be some and I'm not just wrong in any way, but I am sure that some, let's say, black students or brown students who are doing absolutely nothing are good kids. Maybe we're being profiled or targeted or harassed. There would be some and I don't want to minimize their experience at all. I wish we could reduce that to zero. Those kind of cases. But the fact is, there are far there are far more, I believe, from what I've heard this only anecdotal, but what I've heard directly and from others who have worked with these kids, there are far more black and brown students who feel worse without the police in their schools. Like if you're talking dangerous areas, then who felt targeted? They felt safer. They were glad. And you know, whether it's their physical safety every day or just they have the insight to say it looks really bad on us when you know, when a whole bunch of kids who have the same color skin or cultural background as we do are acting like horribly. I'm not that person. They don't define me yet. That's all the news that we're seeing is kids like that. And then I get tarnished with the same brush. I want to have systems in place to prevent that from happening so good kids can flourish. And that is not about the color of your skin. It's about attitude, it's about parenting, it's about the so many things. And let's be clear, in some cases, there are generation after generation after generation of people, especially when it comes to first nations and indigenous and individual youth who, you know, because of horrible histories. Right. It got passed on over and over and over. And still to this day, we are seeing the discrimination and that's I'm hoping that somehow we can find a solution. But in some cases, we can pinpoint we can say this is why certain families have been broken for generation upon generation upon generation. We can say it's actual systemic racism or some kind of horrors, but for many other cases, teachers, politicians, school boards, etc. are just automatically saying, well, you know, it's white supremacy, it's colonialism. That's what's causing the problem. Without even knowing this kids backgrounds, without knowing the family and so on. And it's just it's allowing parents to wash their hands of not my fault. My kid's a terrible student. They're violent. They're doing all this stuff. They're disrupting the ruining the lives of every other kid around them. Not my fault. Thank you very much. You know, for everyone who's promoting these here. And ironically, that's racist to make those assumptions about. well, you know, these students feel uncomfortable around the police because of this, that and the other history. And again, I, too, am not denying the history that exists. But you can't make that assumption that just because they look a certain way, they they they therefore think the police are evil. And I remember in one of the DEA groups that I was working with, this was a very unpopular opinion. And I still fail to see the problem with what I said. But being an individual who works with so many first responders and so many like kind, amazing human beings that I've worked with who are police officers, perhaps what's at hand instead is helping these groups who have this discomfort around police and first response, providing them with more education about what the police does and who they are. And connecting these two communities with one another. I got a lot of flak for suggesting that, but I you know, again, there's there's a lot of assumption that's happening here that is, in fact, more damaging than what they claim to be trying to prevent or resolve. Yes. And I don't want to get in trouble. I guess you're no longer in that group. Okay. But for any DEA group or any group whatsoever to deny the fact that this research has shown this, if you have bad relations between different, quote unquote, groups, if you have bad perceptions of the other group, the best way to fight that is to bring them together. I think we've talked about this in previous podcast. You bring them together in a healthy way. Yeah, right. And healthy, safe way. And safe structured way. And for anyone to deny that is again denying reality. They're allowing their ideological capture or possession ignorance, whatever self-serving motives they have, whatever mental, psychological or emotional weaknesses that they have, they're allowing that to overrule logic. Right. And yes, if you have a white police officer with a bunch of black students, for example, and that white police officer, you get the right ones, you educate them, you make sure that they are racially sensitive. You make sure that they are the best for that position. You put them in that position, you let kids talk to them one on one. You let the cop talk to the kids and let them see they're not some white devil. They are just a human being trying to do their job, to do the best that they can do for society, for the kids, for everybody else. Again, you got to get the right people there. And then ideally, you would also have a bunch of black officers and say, Hey, and what happens when you have a black officer? What what are those black officers called when they're trying to, you know, to to maintain a system so that everyone is safe and secure? What are they called, Uncle Tom? Sellouts. They call all the horrible racist names because people can't imagine that these you know, that these black officers would somehow buy into this white supremacist system. How about this officer saying, this is my community, this is my city, this is my country, and I want this to be the best functioning it can be. And and the way to do that is you make things from within. You get in there and you become you be the best person that you can be in your position. And you you know, again, you just show everybody else that whatever prejudices you have, whatever misconceptions you have, you know what? Maybe they're wrong because I'm living proof that, you know, I am not the way that you see me or that you want to see me. And you start there and that's how you you start to change prejudice. And how many of these DUI people or is other ones like doesn't call and others, how many people are taking this rational, sensical, proven approach to trying to change the problem or to fix the problems? They're not. And that's why we're seeing that the problems are only getting worse. Yeah. Yeah. So back to the video in particular and the topic of and I guess I feel like we're doing a lot of prefacing here, but I will say not that anybody should behave, be behaving this way, but this increase in females, engaging in this very aggressive, physically aggressive behavior that is not typical of women and young women. Females tend to be more aggressive with reputation damage and their words and gossip and so on. So it's interesting to see an increase in this type of behavior. Just last year, also in Toronto, there is a group of five girls about the same age who killed a homeless man. They like I don't know all the details of it, but they basically stabbed the man to death. And, you know, they did not, based on the interviews that I read, did not appear to have a terrible amount of remorse or empathy or even understanding of what they did. And with this video in particular, we don't know what the aftermath was, but I imagine there is probably some similarity there, at least with a lack of understanding or empathy of what, in fact, they were doing to this victim. And I don't use this term with hyperbole or exaggeration, but this is psychopathic behavior. And then what comes to mind regarding females is I think it's less than 1% of the female population and actually meets diagnostic criteria for psychopathy. So it's not that or at least it's a low likelihood of all of these psychopathic women coming in together and banding together and committing these aggressive crimes. So it begs the question like, what is contributing to this? Social media is probably part of it because they're sensationalizing of this type of behavior. Lack of proper parenting is probably part of it over permissiveness in the school system, in parenting, in the legal system as well. But there's so many, again, so many complex layers to this as far as like, frankly, what the hell's going on. Like, this is this is not okay. This is not typical behavior. Right. A few things. So I got called out by somebody on a few months ago and she does research. She says, I know she's written books on the topic. And I told her that from what I know of what I've seen or what I've heard, that it's to your point that female violence is increasing. And she's like, Well, show me the stats. She doesn't believe it. She takes a science based approach to everything. And we had a bit of a discussion, and I think we agree on most issues, you know, But, you know, she disagreed with this notion that there's an increase in violence. And again, maybe it's because we're seeing more and more of it on social media. But from everything I've heard, speaking to so many people, parents, the students themselves, I have to believe that that there is an increase in female violence. I certainly believe there is. And one thing that I've heard people saying was that and here we go, we got to be careful here, but within certain pockets of society, that violence was always there. It was just it was contained to those pockets. And whether we're talking about racial groups or more, it's sorry that people say it's racial groups, but it's a correlation in most case. And we talk about another podcast. It's socioeconomic status, Right. So, again, I want to be clear here. I'm not making any racial comments. I'm saying that in certain socioeconomic groups, female violence is more tolerated. It's more promoted, it's more acted on. So and if it happens to correlate with color of skin, then so be it. But I'm not saying it's the color of skin per se. It's a culture. And the culture, you know, culture comes from certain places that one of them is from your socio economic status, the neighborhood. That's culture. So I do believe that that obviously that violence always existed there, but we just weren't seeing it because we weren't immersed in that. Right. And I do believe, though, that that's spreading now to, you know, to other socioeconomic groups as well, Right. To the middle class and above. And because, as you said, historically, females have always used reputational damage to, you know, to hurt people and other types of, you know, we know this, you know, psychological damage, not physical, overseeing the physical. So, you know, and the thing is this the proper way to study this would be to get a lot of good research that's not ideologically driven. Right. That's being done in a disinterested, which does not mean it essentially in a scientific objective, neutral third party or arm's reach fashion with no narrative to be promoted. All we're doing is collecting data. And to do that, though, you are going to have to collect data with regard to the person's color of the skin. Sorry, sex, and also, most importantly, socioeconomic status. That's what we're really looking for. Okay. Because that's good research. We have to have those demographic details. Those. That's just the way. It is. And again, if it's and I forgot to say this in another podcast when I was talking about this kind of research, which is any time you try to do that research, well, why do you want to know? Well, because we're critical thinkers and we're trying to find solutions. We're not trying to say, I told you so. It's because of this or that. We're saying, let's find out. And if we find out, it's because of the color of a skin, the skin or something else. The most important question I did talk about this in the previous podcast is let's find out why. Maybe that's just an illusory effect. Maybe, you know, again, I believe in most cases it is socioeconomic status, the culture that that's the most prominent. But when you talk about all these factors like social media, we can't deny that that's what kids are seeing, where they're seeing this normalize, they're seeing it glamorized, they're seeing people get cred from doing street cred from doing this, and they're seeing no consequences. That's the problem. They're not seeing consequences. And the consequences aren't being enacted because racism. It's racist, too. It's ridiculous. And again, if you don't believe us, please A, go on to X type in the keywords or type in Chanel Pfahl(P-f-a-h-l), and see the kind of stuff that she's exposing. She's not the only one. Others are exposing the types of ideologies that are being promulgated in the school system. And it starts not just in the school, it starts in teachers college, it starts in university before that that that these nonsensical, not fact oriented or fact based narratives are being, you know, inculcated or the stews are being inculcated, students being the teachers to be are being inculcated with this. And then finally then I'll get off my soapbox for a second. And then finally, when we talk about like no consequences and everything. Right. And again, it is people I think is overly simplistic. We're not saying it's only these things. We're saying these are definitely factors when and we've talked about in other podcast as well when people and it doesn't matter your sex sexual orientation color risk it doesn't matter okay this is part of the human condition and it's so obvious you don't need me to say it, but I'm going to say it when an individual or a group of people are told that you are special, whether you're noble or whether you are marginalized and oppressed or whatever else, but you are special and you're untouchable, you deserve to have special treatment. You deserve to be able to get away with certain things because you've had all these either terrible things happen to you or because you're special and not. And without even knowing if that's true, just because of something that you are born with or a certain way that you're feeling okay because of that, you have special status. If you tell that to anybody, regardless of color, of the skin, sex, whatever else like that, they are all going to act or almost everybody is going to act in the same way. They are not going to say, I have this special right and privilege and power and so on, so I'm going to use this for the good of society. No, people are self-serving. They are going to believe that they can get away with anything. And that's one of the main reasons we are seeing such an uptick in this type of reprehensible behavior, whether it's outright violence like we saw or whether it's students just yelling at teachers with impunity, whether it's tearing down posters, whether it's not allowing people to speak and so on, They believe that they are righteous and that they have a right to do what they're doing. Yeah, Yeah. And to tie together two of the ideas there, social media, you know, I feel like we we sound like old people sometimes, like all social media so bad. But but truly it is promoting a lot of this And we've spoken before about the idea of self-interest. All humans to an extent are self-interested. But I think part of the problem here in particular is that social media is promoting this hyper degree of self-interest and self-focus, and it's all about me, which in turn, I do think over time is diminishing the capacity for people to have true empathy for people and recognizing that a person on the screen isn't the same as a person in real life. And yet something's not connecting or computing in the brain. And I don't think that people are recognizing young people are recognizing like when you're in real life, there's a certain way that you are expected to behave and treat people. But that, again, that could opacity has just been so significantly diminished by this constant exposure to these things on social media since the youngest of ideas. Yeah. And again it's normalizing this type of things, a few things. So one is normalizing to parents of throwing up their hands and saying, well, what can I do about it? Or those parents are part of the groups that are being groups being told you are special, you have it's your fault, etc.. So they don't feel that personal responsibility. Say I want to raise my kid to be a decent citizen. Right. And then the other thing, I talked about this in other podcast that's going to be the drinking word game or the drinking game works. Sorry for everybody. As I said, there's another podcast, but I'm not going to say this, I'm not going to make it. But there's so much overlap. There's there's so much overlap in what we talk about. It needs to be said over and over because people aren't getting the message. But the fact is, and people really need to understand this when you talk about this disconnect between like that's a virtual and reality, the bridge between the two is the phone. And so when you see these terrible things happening, people aren't looking at the poor victim getting pummeled. They're whipping out their phone and they're seeing it on the screen. It's a crazy illusion. yeah, Yeah. That just again, it's it's believe it or not. And people think that it can happen. It can happen. That's how we. Know. Because in real life they're watching it on the phone because they're recording it. I didn't even consider that. Yeah. And again and they're not. Yes. And so it takes them away. It makes them just a pure spectator. And if you're a spectator in person watching someone and you see them make the eye contact, you see the pain, everything like that, that can have an effect on you. But when you're doing this because I'm recording and whatever else like that, you're removing yourself from that. You said earlier about psychopathic behavior or, you know, the levels of psychopathy. Obviously, we're not having literal psychopaths. But when you think about what psychopathy is, the cornerstone of psychopathy is the lack of regard, lack of conscience, the ability to do things without compunction. And we are teaching that to kids. So this might be the first time in history where such a large group of kids that you wouldn't normally expect. There are certain contexts where if a child is made into a child soldier, some poor kid is taken from the youngest of ages and made to kill their dog or a neighbor or the family member, you can make them into sociopaths, right? But that's a special context. We are seeing a bunch of kids being made into not literal, but quasi psychopaths are sociopaths, you know, through this type of everything that we're talking about. And when you talk about the focus on the self. Me, me, me, if I if I feel a certain way, I should be able to act out on it. I'm just expressing myself. I'm just, you know, not only expressing myself, but because of these kind of people that we're talking about, the people in positions of power, the people who've been asleep at the wheel, the people who have been actually promulgating the worst types of belief systems. They are telling them not only are you allowed to do it, but it's as I said earlier, it's righteous to do it. Somehow these kids are rationalizing their reprehensible behavior as something else, whether it's well, it's my turn now. I've been oppressed for so many years, so I get to do it or, well, they just happen to be a white supremacist, so I'm going to kick the shit out of them or something like that where the person's black doesn't matter. Their white friends, because like white people have this horrible capacity to rationalize. I've said this so many times rationalized, but just to let people understand, rationalize as in psychology, as a defense mechanism, is to make cheap excuses for why you do or don't do something. It's not a good thing, right? So people are justifying the worst, you know, the the worst unjust behaviors in the craziest of ways and the powers that be, whether it's social media influencers, teachers, you know, the government, right. They are giving them all the tools to be able to rationalize in the craziest of ways, because these are the narratives that they're learning. Again, if you come from, yes, you're marginalized, therefore you get to do whatever you want, free pass. And those are the people. They're the bad people. So back to the point you made about the phones. I love that point so much. And I'm like connecting a whole bunch of dots right now as we're talking about this. So and it's funny that a lot of my like basic psychology knowledge is coming to mind because I think that it's so applicable. But I think about the bystander effect where if nobody is is jumping in and nobody is doing anything, that obviously is a problem. And the way that bystanders and correct me if I'm misrepresenting this, but if the bystanders are looking around and nobody is acting, then they're going to be less likely to act as well. So I think that this is being compounded with, you know, with these phones and everybody watching, because everybody is is there's this additional layer, I guess, of being an observer and being a bystander, which in turn is going to further reduce the likelihood of somebody actually intervening and helping. And I think that that ties in to this idea of self-interest as well, because people are whipping out their phones, They can record, so they can post that they can go viral. So they can get the likes and they can whatever is motivating them to to post this. So not only is there an issue of self-interest with the attacker in that situation, but I think also with the people observing. The 100%. And yes, so the bystander effect, there are different phenomena going on. One is this diffusion of responsibility, the assumption that while there's so many people, someone is going to step in, but that there's more for the second part. Exactly what you said, and it's been shown time and time again if there are ten people or 100 people or whatever, all it takes is one person to intervene and then others do that. So the human brain, again, we are we monkey see monkey do right. And so again, if, as you said, everyone's whipping out their phone, that's what everybody else is doing. And so there's less and less of a chance at least one person is going to jump in to help, as opposed to jumping in and ganging up on them, which we see as well. Unfortunately, Same idea you get a bunch of you get a mob, you know, and for anyone who wants to say we're trying to make any statements about any, you know, the color of the skin or whatever else like that, we're not saying that. We're talking about the human condition. If you imbue this narrative with racism, guess what? That's a projection of your own racism. Okay. We are talking about the human bloody condition, which is right, that we are social animals. So when we see a group of people doing one thing, we're very likely to do it as well. And once again, the number and by the way, the fact is there are very few heroes among us. If you know, if everyone's running one direction, if a thousand people are running, running one direction away from the danger, there will be maybe 1%, most, maybe two, who will run toward the danger. Okay, Those are the heroes. Those are the people that you've dealt with and I've dealt with in the first responders and so on. Right. We need those people in society, which ironically these days, so many of them are getting shit on because the first responders, the police and everything, they are the ones who are getting shit out. So we're even reducing the numbers of them. The all these factors are so many of them, and I'm going to use these people's words against them. There's so many intersecting factors that that are helping explain the deterioration in society. And we're not speaking with hyperbole. We're not coming up with I mean, it might sound overly simplistic, but we're not we're saying it's not the only factor, but we need to take into consideration that the models, the heroes, the ones who are the likely wants to run into danger. We are shitting all over them. We're making it less likely that they're going to want to do their job because we're handcuffing them. We're punishing them for doing just for just doing their job. And increasingly impossible job, as we've discussed in some of the other videos that we show. Right. And so and that's those are the special cases. Those are the ones who run toward danger. But if there's 100 people or ten people or whatever, and it's you know, it's it's not a burning building. It's not you know, they don't know like a terrorist coming. It's just a bunch of kids fighting. And, you know, all it takes is one person to kind of jump in to try to intervene. That's not the same hero situation. But again, even then, most people won't do it because people are self-interested. They want to put themselves in danger. But again, among normal people, there will be, you know, one or two people. They don't have to be heroes, but they're just more action oriented and they're going to intervene. And once again, normally that would allow that would make other people do it as well. That's just that's how humans operate. Right. But if those heroes now are the non heroes or the whatever, are working out their phones as well, who's going to stop it? And there was a story. Was a story. Well, like, teachers are less likely to get involved now to try to stop things because they're afraid of, you know, parents coming and, you know, suing them, you know, lawsuits and and or being called racist or something like that. Again, I'm sorry to keep bringing that up, but that's what we're hearing, right. When when these are not factors or shouldn't be considered factors, but they are being it because the people supposedly in charge are they're not just asleep at the wheel. They're drunk at the wheel. And let's let's even just entertain for a second that, okay, fine, maybe, maybe race, ethnicity, these factors, maybe they do play some role just for argument's sake. But just because it's an explanation doesn't mean it's an excuse. And I think that's the biggest problem here, is that, you know, you and I aren't denying the fact that there are factors that may play a role in influencing certain behaviors, but it doesn't excuse it doesn't make it okay. It doesn't mean that we can just dust our hands of it and move on and say, well, they're brown. So, you know, it's that's going to happen because again, like we said before, it that's racist. Exactly. And I see there's just so many people with so many different factors. I say, as you said, it's not an excuse. It's an explanation. Let's start with the explanation. Because with the explanation comes potential solutions. With excuses comes nothing with explanations. And again, unfortunately, too many researchers are afraid for good reason to do the proper research. And even if they want to, the ones who are brave enough to do it, they stymied at the institutional level because they say, Well, we're not going to allow this to happen because it's racist. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, you know, this type of stuff is happening literally in your community, right? So it's not like this is something that we're seeing is happening in, you know, some remote place in the U.S. or whatever. This is literally happening in the community that you live in. So I think it's really important for us to focus on, you know, what can parents do, even what can students do. And again, it's just such a complex, layered issue that I don't think that there's there's a singular answer or singular action that people can do. But I would say with regard to students, I think it I think to an extent it does start there where students seem to be better educated and equipped to be able to modulate their temper, I suppose as a first piece of it, develop a stronger sense of empathy, have the bravery to, if not intervene because it could be a safety issue, do something or, you know, engage with authorities. If nothing is happening at the school level, talk to your parents, see if authorities can get involved. But I would say as an important first step is better equipping students is difficult. You know, students are students are students. But we talk about modulating, you know, tempers and so on. Well, you know, whether it's mindfulness, whether it's breathing, whether it's just self better self esteem, Right. Like these are things that students can be taught in school and I think from the youngest of ages. Now, mindfulness is not for everybody. Okay? And I would if someone tried to teach me mindfulness as a kid, I would have laughed at them. Okay. You know, it's just not my style. Even though I tell everyone, if you can do it, do it. It's great. But breathing, simple, breathing, learning how to breathe properly. You can teach that from the youngest of ages. That's one. And and the second again, we've talked about this so many times. No matter what we say, no matter what a teacher says, all of that gets just wiped out in a second. If peers are sending a different message, whether those peers are in front of their faces or more likely on social media. So we have to understand that it's an uphill battle. We can't just deny our responsibility, can't abdicate our responsibilities as parents or educators or whoever else, or mental health professionals. And, you know, we have to say let's find a way to fight it. So, yes, helping students is one way. But really, I mean, students are should be shaped by the parents in a healthy way. So parents I know it's difficult, but we're especially when it comes to this, I get other issues we've talked about. I can understand parents are terrified going, you know, how can we deal with this without being called the worst things in the world when it comes to school violence? You're going to find. It's pretty basic. I feel like most parents would agree that's a problem. Exactly. Now, out of ten parents in these days, you're going to find one or two parents who are going to pull the racist card, but the majority and they will be the loudest usually. And they might be of a certain race, unquote, race. And so you might be afraid to challenge them. Don't be afraid. Okay. Find enough people who have common sense, who have a decency and who say, no, we're going to band together. We're going to take it to the school and the school board and go on social and find reporters or other people who have a bigger voice than them who are willing to take up your cause. Because they are willing. Right. Whether they're doing it because they want to help promote society or whether they do it because they're going get a lot of clicks, it doesn't matter. They will go. They will help you expose bad teachers, bad principals, bad trustees and school boards. And and they will do it. They will gladly do it because, again, I don't care what the motives are. If you're able to do that, if you're able to expose these practices, they go the school. Now, we haven't heard all the story, but again, let's just remind what the people heard at the beginning of the video, which by the way, the the closed caption for the video was there were some big mistakes. Like in one place the school said you can't control and the things that can control. So the people just read the wrong message. You can bet at the very beginning you actually addressed it without even knowing, okay, what you did address. Right. So in that video, please keep in mind those kids went to the teachers. I think they went to the principal as well before and like moments before, everyone involved there should lose their jobs on the spot unless there's a, you know, if if if if it's like I should be very clear. Unless there's a real reason that something prevented them from acting. But if it truly was a matter of absolute inaction, then. Yeah, they should not be around to students. That's not a suspension. You lose your job because those kids got the crap beat out of them and now they're going to be traumatized. And most if it's like most other situations or many other situations, we're going to find out that the students who were victimized, they're the ones are going to have to go to a different school, not the kids who did the terrible behavior. And as the kid said, they didn't even know them. They just chose them. They targeted them. You have to make sure that that kind of behavior is that there's zero tolerance. And we still have a thing called zero tolerance policy. Yeah, that's racist. It seems to have faded. It seems to have faded away. Yeah. Because too many people from certain groups and once again, if that's the case, let's find out why that is. Is it socio cultural? Is it parenting? Is it culture? And again, when I say culture, I want people to understand culture. And if you assume that culture is all racial, then you're a racist. Culture is, you know, again, look at the definition. It can be any type of, you know, community group, whatever else again. Okay. Absolutely right. And yeah, so back to the whole thing is you band together and you let the teachers, you let the principals know that you're not going to stop and they don't want to be exposed. Okay. Like I said, there are people who will expose them. And it's sad that we have to go this route. But these days, I mean, again, back to the human condition. I've helped so many people in different contexts because of confidentiality. But I used to always say to or I still say to the people I help, I say that the people that you're dealing with. The reason they're acting with impunity is because they believe that, no, there's no oversight. They believe they're operating insulated, a little bubble, whatever else like that. As soon as you poke a hole and you go, I know there's someone who's who's watching and they're going to expose you. Now, the behavior changes not because they're better people, but because of self-interest. They don't want to be exposed. So please, teacher parents get together and teachers as well. This is the hardest thing. I get it. Work behind the scenes, Find ways. If you know that there are parents who are concerned, give them resources, give them court. You yourself find this contact and say, Look, you know, you didn't hear from me, but here, check out this person. They will take it. I can't myself because. You know, I'm handcuffed, but you can as a parent, you can do that. And as a parent, you should want to do that. And, you know, if people think that we're out of touch. I've got a 26 year old, a 22 year old and a 14 year old. Okay. So for many years I've watched them go through the system. I've been involved in the school system, and each of us has many we have many patients who either are students or are parents of students. So, you know, we're talking from experience, we're talking from knowledge and we're talking from compassion. We want to make a safer and learning environment for you know, for these students. They shouldn't be terrified to go to school. Exactly. And I guess I'll add to that, too, to parents, don't be afraid to take legal action if it's warranted. Right. Because that, again, sometimes is is, you know, making enough noise for something to happen. And I think a lot of parents are afraid to go that route or don't want to, you know, rattle the cage too much. But this is your child. So in my opinion, if that is a legitimately warranted route, take it. Definitely the legal action, whether it's against a school, whether it's against the kids or the parents of the kids. Right. And yes, I understand that money is a big issue, but if you do your due diligence, you will find that there are law firms who will take these cases, you know, on contingency. They don't get paid until you get paid. And if you're not the type of personality who will do that Again, find somebody, whether it's a family member, a friend or another parent who is more willing and capable of doing these things so they get it. I know it sounds so easy on the ground, but and again, having three daughters, I haven't had to go the legal route, but I have spoken to many teachers and so on and trustees and I've pushed and when I didn't see action, I kept pushing and I was prepared to go to the end. I was prepared to go to the media if I needed to. Fortunately, they resolved it before got that far, but I was prepared. You find the person you know who's willing to do that if it's not you. So to our listeners, leave comments about what you think about all the things we talked about today female aggression, psychopathic behavior, empathy is race more of a factor than we seem to think it is? Leave us your comments and we'd love to see what you think. All right. And on that note, until next time, keep your eyes on the road and your hands upon the wheel.