But I said, what would I do? And what are those people doing today in different countries where they're escaping? They're getting on some boat. They gave some guy five grand to put their two month old on a boat with their wife and themselves. No lifejacket. They're taking this risk. What would we do? And I don't know if most Canadians would do anything, we'd probably perish. Instead of trying to elevate everybody's. No, no, no. There's people down here. So let's bring our selves down there. Now, that's what they say. Of course, they're happy to live where they are. As you say, the elites are where they are. But these average people and it's just it's such an unhealthy perspective. So I just want to just add that that's one of the changes in parenting and education that we're seeing. Yeah, it actually does help with the segue of, you know, again, the race to the bottom, this celebration of mediocrity. So Hank had this brilliant post on social media. You, I don't know, a few weeks ago. I won't read it in its entirety. But basically what it was was Ten Steps of How to be A Lifelong Loser. And, you know, a lot of what we're talking about today, whether people want to accept it or not, are going to lead to people having such a lifestyle. So, you know, give the highlight reel of this here: so number one is seeking out a life of comfort without any conflict or pain. Number two is never admit to your mistakes. Number three, always blame someone else for your status in life, Four: believe that you are a product of your past and that there is nothing that you can do about it. Number five hard work is something to avoid. Number six, seek out people that tell you what you want to hear and not what you need to hear. So number seven, hang around with people who have no ambition or who need you or have declared that they are a lifelong losers. Number eight believe that any child of any age can make any decision of any type and you must comply. So I think that this falls in line with a lot of what we're talking about here. And there's a few more. But, you know, I wanted to highlight those main ones. Hank, what inspired you to write that? Is this just your observation of what you're seeing around you? Was there something in particular that brought that on. old crochety guy got on his typewriter- I just think, you know, at this stage, what's really frustrating, as I said earlier, is when you see the path to success. So it's what you do every day in your work. You see the path you and, you and Oren see the path, and then the client doesn't want to follow that path for whatever reason. They don't want to listen. They're not ready. Something you're not ready to learn. The bottom line is they don't want to change anything. And those to me were the most significant things I was seeing. One of the things I've learned with the bees is how everything's interconnected and so that if someone is, you know, not taking care of their family, there are some other character traits that are affecting other aspects and so on. And I brought it up because I have this right, a box of Kleenex, and I've been in many situations where I brought them into meetings in the construction industry where contractors are always whining and I would bring in a box of Kleenex, I'd throw the box, lob the box at the guy, and I'd say, why don’t you just open the box, have a good cry, and then let's talk. And they get furious, right? Because they're whining about everything this and that, the price of lumber or labor. I said, So here's your box. And so then I started bringing it into the real life situation of looking at what we see as being success. And the formula is not that difficult. You know, hang around with people where you want to be, work hard. But if you tell people that they don't listen, but if you say to be a loser, do this, everybody. The feedback I got from that hundreds and hundreds of people shared that with other people, which meant to me they were telling other people, You're a loser, I don’t want to hang out with you. But the only way I'm telling you is send Svec’s email to you. So I think I may have helped more people in that brief thing than I did in probably 20 years of practice, because all the sudden people were talking about it and no one wants to address it. But remember, the definition of a loser is getting up in the morning and not doing the best you can with what you have. That to me is the definition. And there is the winning losing aspect as well. If we're in competition. But the daily self loser is a person who doesn't take their opportunity they have and just do the best they can. That's all we can do. But people don't. A lot of people leave too much gas in the tank. And I want to emphasize what you said there to anyone listening. You know, make no mistake, we're not talking about becoming a millionaire or a billionaire. When we say success and winning and losing, it's about being the best person that you can and being honest with yourself and putting your best foot forward every day. I think the good news is I think we all have that. I believe we all have that good instinct to do that. But somehow we've been pulled back, told we can't don't have permission, don't feel like we can really go for it. And for many of us, it's a fail, a fear of success because we don't know how to handle it. And we will piss too many people off. If you're successful, the first thing I tell the entrepreneurs I work with and they're all successful is as you become more successful, you'll have fewer friends, and the friends you have will hate you. Every time Hank and I meet for, you know, whether it's lunch or mentorship or whatever. How many friends do you have left is the question. Yeah, it's true. We are jettisoning people who are envious, petty, jealous, I mean, yeah, that they become toxic. And instead of being inspired by your success, they're bitter about it. They're resentful. They're like, you know, and they will ascribe your success to other factors as opposed to hard work, the right mindset and so on. Because if they were to say, well, wait, this person started where I was or below me, or they're no different than I am then, and yet they succeeded. Then the question is, okay, well, why aren't you doing something to succeed? And once again, success is only something that is making the most of what you have, who you are learning from your mistakes. And again, having that “Why”, having a set of values that drive you every day to say, you know what, I want to do something. And if I can do one more thing, go back to framing. This is I think just recently we I mean, Kamala Harris, I want we can have a whole podcast on her. We can psychoanalyze her. But this this either totally ignorant or malevolent lie about what was happening in Florida with this, about how they're teaching about slavery. And I'm not going to get into too much was just I thought it was a perfect example where if you read the actual I haven't read the whole thing. I've only heard people who've read the entire thing. And they made it very clear this is a document written by black educators who said, No, no, no, we've vetted this. We've gone through it. We're not saying slavery is good. Nobody is saying that. What they said was no. And they're not saying they're not simply saying they didn't say blacks benefited from slavery as Kamala Harris tried to falsely portray it. What they said was, even in the most horrific situations, the human spirit, if we can, can rekindle it, if we can if we can find inspiration. So on, even in such terrible situations, people you know, some people can find a way to benefit from themselves. It was it was a testament to the human spirit as a testament to the strength of the slaves who, you know, who didn't let it destroy them completely. And and those educators were shit all over, you know, for political reasons and so on. And somebody said, I heard another interview where they said, Well, how about, Viktor Frankl. Okay. Viktor Frankl. Somehow, you know, man's search for meaning somehow found inspiration through the worst experience ever, the Holocaust. And and again and people are inspired. I tell people, you don't have to buy his book. Just Google Viktor Frankl quotes. If you want to have words of wisdom, if you want to be inspired every single day. And yet again, he found that in the darkest of times, that's a testament to, you know, to resilience, to hardiness, to to the right mindset, to framing. And yet these idiots are trying to use this as a way to just demotivate people and not to give them hope. So this again, this is all back to the changes that we're seeing in over the last decade or so. I mean, it was slowly beginning, but it really has accelerated exponentially, almost in the last decade. And it's really sad. And once again, you know, I've talked about this before. I know Hank will agree, no matter what messaging is happening out there, as parents, we have the ability to provide our kids with filters, with, you know, lenses through which they experience this terrible, idiotic messaging. So it doesn't drive them down. It doesn't demotivated them, and it doesn't make them think that mediocrity is, you know, the point to which they should aspire. One of the luckiest things I did, my first job in life, real job, was helping street students try to go back to school. And the only way I could do it, because a lot of them were quite aggressive and violent and I was working in a warehouse with a social worker, and all other support was to find their strength. So for every student, when they, regardless of their history, I'd find something they did well and build on it. And you know what? I only got assaulted a couple of times with pipes and stuff. Most of the time that the students went back to school and it really was emphasized on two separate occasions. Once I was at a restaurant, I dropped my $5. I picked it up. I heard a voice. I'll get that. And I look up and it's a student I had had in my program at 13 whose only goal in life was to get the prison to kill the guy who killed his brother in prison. He was one on one. He was so in. He's one of the guys who went after me with a pipe. He said, Hank, he said, That's my five. I looked up and I said, Oh, so-and-so, how are you doing? He goes, See that? I'm driving that. And I said, Is that your truck like that? And sure enough, he had a family, kids, real job. And my only goal when I work with him was maybe when he's robbing a bank, he won't pull the trigger because maybe something I'll do over these four years will help him. So everybody has something that's incredible. The problem is, as Oren’s saying, we we don't allow that to come out. We stop people from doing that for all kinds of ways. And we we talk about productivity. We don't help them achieve their potential. And I have to tell you, from chefs to all kinds of these young people went on to do incredible things and it's big. And they were throw-outs, like they had they couldn't get back into high school. No one wanted them. Many of them were had no parents. Some of them were living on the street. It was horrible. But you know what? They found it because you could pull out what was great. My drug dealers were the best mathematicians. I taught them how to buy stocks and calculate percent. Back then it was a newspaper and they loved it because it was fake stuff. When they learned about money. You just have to take the time to do that. Empower educators. I was empowered because no one cared about my students. I could pull out any, you know, any kind of curriculum, whatever it was I was allowed because my kids were doing well and going back to school and no one cared about them. And unfortunately, we don't have that power in education today where people can go work in those fields who have that kind of ability to look at the student that way and don't want to become a principal or superintendent someday, which many of them do. Right? Yeah. Well, you know, I missed I alluded to this at the beginning. I'm just going to kind of look back to it and I'll be mindful of my words, I guess. But again, Hank, that's why. Well, I mean, that and other reasons, but that's one of the reasons that really you were despised among colleagues in the field of psychology for a while because you didn't. For a while, Oren? For as long as I've known, as long as I've known. Right. Because, again, what you weren’t just talking the talk. There was a method to your madness and you had done it. You were an entrepreneur or you had that different spirit than the psychologist and the psychologist. Many of them, many of the colleagues and I spoke to them. I saw how just how much antipathy there was toward you and it was jealousy or it was fear because there was a giant spotlight that you were shining and you were in it as well. And you're saying, look, this is what we can do in our position. We have certain tools, we have certain abilities. Intelligence is whatever it is, but we are for whatever reason, we have these and we can lead by example, we can inspire. It was pretty simple. Let me just clarify. So we're talking about people not affording psych services. I said, why don't we do like lawyers come up with psych aid? So I sent a $5,000 check to this organization called the Ontario Psychological Association, and they sent it back to me. In my entire life, no one has returned a check to me that I've given them. And it turns out that's because they were in the middle of one of the largest fraud thefts and corrupt situations in the history of not for profits. And now we know likely $22 million was stolen from you, the taxpayers and other psychologists. And I'm still finishing that investigation will be a podcast in December. The bottom line to that is everybody's whining about how do we help? I said, Well, let's all buck up. Guess what? Nobody wanted to buck up. Nobody wanted to take that on my own. Our own college had like 12 million in the bank, they had 4 million for an Internet account. They didn't want to take any money and give it to poor people. They talk it. But so we started PsychAid I did it for a year, actually. I think we gave out like 25 grand worth of free services, we had four psychologists in different parts of Ontario doing it. People would get $100. The psychologists get $100 for seeing someone in psych aid and we would pay them. I had a secretary run it, a receptionist, so I could show that it wasn't difficult. I mean, it was difficult, but it could be done by a staff member without a budget of $2 million for support staff, but nobody would do it. Well we still do it at the clinic. I know you do, because you're you're incredible people. They're incredible people. But I mean, it is far as Ontario and far as an organization like the Ontario Psychological Association, which is the most corrupt, one of the most corrupt, not for profits I've ever seen and continues to be to this day. It continues to get government funding without any recourse for the frauds and thefts and the the millions of dollars that were wasted. And so just for our own. You didn't want all that did you Oren, I'm sorry Our own legal protection. Those are Hank's, you know, let’s say allegations, which he will you know, I just have to be careful. The truth is untrue and come and get me. You know how to serve me, come oon, let’s go! You know, I want. I want the OPA to understand this is Hank speaking. But again, you've got the receipts, literally. And, you know, and as listeners may know, I was banned for life from the OPA because I spoke out about certain things. I saw what was not about the financial aspects, but how we were falling asleep at the wheel and not taking the leadership position. And I was very vocal about it. And when I tried to say, Hey, look, here's what we can do, I was shut down, I was lied about. I was maligned by quote unquote colleagues, and then they banned me for life. And so it's you know, it's I want to really emphasize that because I was on the board of directors at the time that Hank was proposing this. And I think and you even came in, Hank, and, you know, you were even talking about not-- beyond PsychAid. You were talking about trying to, I believe, trying to get the Ontario government to pitch in. And and you had a system and Well when this the prescription listen when when pharmacists could prescribe medication. We missed the opportunity to diagnose handed to prescription to a pharmacist so they could then prescribe the meds and help the health care system. We didn't take that opportunity because we're the only ones who can diagnose psychologists mental health conditions. We can't prescribe, duh who can prescribe: pharmacists. So let's work with pharmacists to empower them as they are now able to prescribe for anxiety, for depression. For all of that, people get assessed with us, they get the treatment if they need it at a pharmacy. But these people were so self-serving spending tens of thousand dollars on personal items, they didn't care about the population or other psychology or the profession. And that continues to this day self-serving elitists who don't care about the populace. And once again, just to be clear what I was saying all this I'm not talking about the the the allegations that Hank is laying. I'm just trying protect us. What I'm saying is what I saw in the mentality of my quote unquote, colleagues or our supposed colleagues, because I'll say after Hank gave this presentation, I was there. I was talking to the board and saying, Hey, this is great. And I was like, you know, trying to get people on board. And they all just looked at me. They just laughed and they said, Oh, people like Hank have come and gone. All these pipe dreams. This is we've been around for much longer than you have, Oren, and this is not going to work. And I was just shut down completely and it was almost well, I don't know how many people were speaking, but not one person joined me when I said, why can't we do it? I just asked, why can't we do it? And it stopped there. So I get to be clear. All I'm talking about is the psychological, the personality, the interpersonal things that I saw, you know, So I can't speak to the corruption, okay? I didn't see that. I'm not making those allegations, but I am saying it once again. I saw the derision with which they spoke about Hank, because again, you dared to see things differently and you dared to say, Let's do it differently. And no, they didn’t. Did. I was goiung to say that's where progress dies. Is that attitude of, well, this is how we've always done it. So you know, that's nice that Hank thinks this, but let's move on and do what we've been doing. And that's, you know, that that's not going to foster change. And it doesn't foster change. By the way, the judge in the criminal trial where they found the poor person not guilty, said everything I said that he couldn't believe that a person who ran an organization for ten years getting paid $130,000 a year, not once looked at a bank statement was her testimony under oath. If you believe that, then I've got some swampland in Florida maybe we could talk about. But that's what the judge said. And the judge actually they did publish. You know, I said, how do you go to a restaurant five times in a day? What is winners? How do you spend 1500 dollars three times a day at winners? Isn't that a clothing store or something like, why would the OPA be spending three or four or five grand a day at a clothing store? I and so sorry, Hank, in December, you're going to have a podcast outlining all of this. Well, it started out being how to steal$2.7 million and get away with it. But now it's how to steal $22.7 million and get away with it because we found 20 more million dollars that no one wants to talk about. That includes the provincial government, that under the Freedom of Information Act, initially they said they had no documents and now they might have found some files. And they're looking a little tougher now. And again, that's what makes Hank different, because when I met you, Hank, we met in person years ago. You were, I think, in the process of obtaining your P.I. license, your private investigator license, so that you could investigate all. And so, again, instead of just complaining about what he saw, Hank went to do, But what about doing something about it? Again, these are the people we've talked before in other podcasts about saying normally we're talking about fighting for disadvantaged people, models within their quote unquote community or people who are like them and say, look, let's look at somebody who has, you know, risen, risen above their circumstances and has made something of themselves and what factors enable them to do it. They're not special. I mean, they might there might be something special about them, but there's a way that we can quantify it and say, if you do A, B and C, you have a chance as well. Maybe you won't you won't do the same thing that they've done, but you can do better than that, than what you're doing. And here Hank was in the field of psychology saying, you don't have to just do it this way. There are many other ways that we can do it. Let's learn from the people you know, the one who has the entrepreneurial spirit, the one who has that. I'm go get him, Spirit, that I'm going to become a P.I. so I can investigate these things and not just talk about it. These are the kind of people. But again, once again, instead of lauding Hank and trying to learn from him, they shut him down. So and again, I'm only talking about what I saw from the personal side. And I think anything else about the, you know, the financial shenanigans that Hank is discussing, I just want to make we want to protect ourselves. We'll put a disclaimer that the views and opinions expressed by Hank are not those of Awake at the Wheel. Well, as a great attorney told me once, if it's the truth, there's nothing to hide from. So and Karma’s a great equalizer. I don't get upset about. I just go with blinders because I don't want to enter a room. Because if I enter a room, I have to go to the max and I don't like entering rooms. So I only have a few now that I go into. But this is one that you see through because it's important. Justice is there's no statute of limitations on these crimes, by the way. I mean, I could be 90. Yeah, you know, I saw this. We'll see how it turns out. So I think a lot of what we're talking about here back to again, the general realm of parenting and I think this is all relevant is we're talking about developing. I don't know if this is the right term to use, but a spirit of fearlessness. Right? So not recklessness, but I think instilling in our children and grandchildren the fact that, you know, you fight for what's right and that's okay if, you know, things don't go perfectly, but it's important. So it comes down to values and developing that fearlessness. I do look, you know, I'll leave you with this. I know for winding down, but I think about my dad, who, you know, he came home for lunch and he saw that the furniture in his Czech apartment had been moved around. The police had come to look for stuff in his house. So we made the on the spot decision to escape the Czech Republic that hour he was going to escape. So he sold everything he could. He got on his bike and he knew he'd never see his family again. And every once in a while, when we're up against it, like Oren talks about the college and all the fake lies they said about me, I think back to my dad and I think, What would I do if I was in that situation? If I came home at lunch and I knew the police and a neighbor came and told them the police were coming to get him and probably he would have died in prison. So I think what would I do? What I have the guts to, I don't know, because that's incredible, you know, to get on your bike and pedal, and there was a guard there at the border that could have shot him and he just waved. He didn't even stop pedaling his bike and made up a story. And so and that's that. It wasn't very dramatic. He just pedaled across the border and then he was a refugee. But I said, what would I do? And what are those people doing today in different countries where they're escaping? They're getting on some boat. They gave some guy five grand to put their two month old on a boat with their wife and themselves. No lifejacket. They're taking this risk. What would we do? And I don't know if most Canadians would do anything, we'd probably perish. I don't know what I would do, and I don't know where they get this incredible strength in the midst of all this stuff. And I think that's one of the studies as our profession. We don't spend a lot of time looking at that. You know, you mentioned Auschwitz and there's so many successful business folks from that experience where everyone around them were taken from them and they were young children and somehow they survived. And somehow that became the foundation of their strength and try to outdo Auschwitz. As far as putting someone in a bad situation, they would just laugh at you. You want to do that, you know, And then, you know, I can remember hearing so many of those stories in the practice about Joe that were children at the time who came in the office, who had been through those wars and how they dealt with those situations. So I think there's some pieces there. I think the optimism is that humans have a lot inside that we're not aware of a lot of strength, just like those street kids I work with and people we see today. I think pretty much every human has something in there that you can pull out and they would be incredibly strong. The question is, what is it to motivate them? What is it to get action as Oren says, versus standing up and getting the Kleenex or my Kleenex? Just send me some word Kleenex because I've got eco anxiety. I'm nervous about the warm weather. And I always give it whether it's a movie or something I like to use. You know, these movies, TV shows and so on to, you know, to just describe to patients because it's so much easier to see your own life through the lens of someone else's. And even if it is art or music, you know, and so I always talk about there's a scene in The Sopranos that if it's not that I tell them to try to find another movie where where Anthony Jr tries to kill himself in the swimming pool, he takes a cinderblock, throws in the pool, and the people who actually watch Sopranos say what happens in that scene. They say as soon as the block hits, he starts trying to struggle, He starts struggling to go up. I go, Yes, that's the human survival mechanism that even when you try to kill ourselves in that situation. Right. There's something inside of saying, no, no, no fight and go back. And that's you know, that's the the anti drowning reflex, even if you're trying to drown yourself. So the thing is, though, in society and essentially you go back to like, you know, escaping communism in Canada at least, and I know it's in the States as well, the people who actually come from those countries, the ones who fled that to come to a place like Canada or the states, they're looking at what the elite, the quote unquote, leaders are doing and they're saying everything you're doing is wrong. You are, you know, fueling this, you know, communism or socialism in the worst ways possible. We've seen what happened. And the reason that that people in the West, you know, don't have that that that survival reflex is that they are lying to themselves and they're being aided in that lying, whether it's the parents, whether it's the you know, the you know, the politicians, the educators, they are being told something that's not true. They're being gaslit. They're not being told, wait, wait, wait, you are struggling. You are drowning. You need to let that instinct kick in and you have to fight to elevate yourself. And again, being metaphoric. Yeah, of course. But people are just cruising into their comfort, into their apathy, into their what's their atrophy. You know, apathy leads to atrophy. They're stagnating. And instead of saying what the hell's going on, they're allowing themselves to be distracted. They're allowing themselves to be gaslit. They're allowing themselves to be brainwashed into thinking everything's okay. Mommy and daddy, i.e., the government, are going to take care of you. There's nothing that you can do, right. And, you know, again, if you're from terrible circumstances, well, that's the way it is. And we're going to just you know, we're going to help you just, you know, live a life of sustenance. That's it. Nothing more. And if you have something more, if you have the, quote unquote, privilege, well, then you shouldn't be striving to do anything because it's not fair, because you are born with an unfair advantage. So you just sit down, shut up and you know, and let others, you know, do do something. So again, it's all the wrong let me say it framing the people are being, you know, fed lies basically. And again, the survival instinct is not kicking in because people don't know that they're drowning. Let me let me throw one more thing at a positive note, what we can do. So I'll give you a short list. First one is start your day with gratitude. So whatever you have, wherever you are, your family, gratitude for people you love and go through the list. And that's how I try to start my day. Then do some physical activity. I do seven days a week on the treadmill and weight room and all that crazy stuff. Try to get to work out every morning to start your day because you've accomplished something and then spend the rest of your day trying to get the most you can out of what you have. So if you are going to work, do the best. It doesn't matter what the job is. The best thing I saw recently, there's a there's something on, I think Disney Channel called the Bear about a restaurant in The Man Goes for training at a Top Star restaurant. In his first four days. He's doing nothing but shining forks, making sure the forks are perfect. And it's a bit like the wax on, wax off and Karate Kid. But the point of all that is it doesn't matter what you do, do it at your best because at the end of the day, you'll feel incredible. You just it'll, it'll be amazing. And the next day you do it all over again and wait. W-A-I-T realize that if you're in your twenties or thirties or forties, it doesn't matter if you're making $20 an hour. If you do it right, you'll be wealthy by the time you're 50. It's not rocket science. Everybody can do it today. You can buy that house, you can do all those things, but you're going to have to wait and be disciplined. Yeah, so that's what I recommend. We end off with. What can we do about this? I think that that really helps to highlight what we can do. And as far as from the parenting perspective, I would say parents need to really, you know, listen carefully to that and encourage their kids to develop that framework and that mindset to proceed throughout life and, you know, be patient, be disciplined, have self-discipline, and you'll get there. And work on the parenting profession. Like my kids are all pretty much gone. So they are all gone. So it's about the adult parenting thing. But I can remember waking up when I had my time with the kids because I was always doing these things. I would have a block of time to be with my kids. I was always trying to work on the parenting job. It was like it wasn't emotional because when I was emotional, it was not very good. I always had to be working on it. Just like you try to hit a golf ball or learn how to play chess, when you're

Work on being a parent. It's a profession. It's admirable. It's incredible. If you're doing it and just don't expect a lot of positive feedback because if you're doing it right, there's not going to be for a long time. Right? And when you talk about the you know, I just wanted one more time. But, you know that the drinking game, the framing, when you talked about it, you know, it doesn't matter what the. What’s in that cup, Oren? I'm starting to wonder, what's your water? I got water. You can see. Water, too. But this is my this is my elixir. Caffeine in a different cup. I can see that. Now. I was going to say was when you said about like, you know, again, every day you do your job, you do it well, you do it as well as you can. And I'll tell you right now, for a lot of people, if you say that they're going to be resentful because they think what I'm doing it for, the man I'm doing for some boss who doesn't appreciate not you're not doing it for them. You're doing it for yourself. Once again, find the why. If you have a crappy job, no, it doesn't matter. You're doing it so that for all the reasons that Hank said and you know that if you do do that, you might not feel right in the moment, but eventually you're going to have a new way of seeing the world, seeing yourself, seeing yourself in the world. And that's going to be more fulfilling. That's going to give you more optimism. You have a greater sense of self agency and you can say, Yeah, there is again, it's destiny. The design is destiny. Everything. Hank said, that's the system. And if you follow it, it's guaranteed it might not make you a millionaire, but is guaranteed to make you have a more fulfilling, successful life. And with that, if I may say, until next time, keep your eyes on the road and your hands upon the wheel. All right. So before we wrap up for today, we just want to sincerely thank Hank for being on the show today. Your insights and stories have all been incredibly valuable. So thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you for having me. I enjoyed it. Thank you. As much as we love listening to ourselves speak, especially me, we would love to hear from you as well. So our emails are in the description below. If you would, please write to us with your questions, feedback, comments, topics that you'd like us to cover. We can do this together. The two of us, but it's much better if we do it together. So we look forward to hearing from you. And we are going to have a segment called Roundtable where we're going to discuss the the feedback and the questions and so on from our audience. And we will we will take it to the next level. We're going to help you be able to deal with some of these issues that you might be bringing us or it's going to be a topic for us to explore together. And we really look forward to building a community, a community of like minded people who want to do right by others, not just for themselves.