somebody who is so socially focused and caring about what's happening in the world around me just feels so fatigued from all of this. there's a lot going on behind the scenes that is self-serving for these individuals and not in the best interests of Canada. that's always been the case in every government. These are insiders, but saying that the people inside Trudeau's government were always saying he was never in charge. I wouldn't be able to do that if I'm fighting internal battles. Okay. This basically was blaming everybody else as he's done every time. Hello and welcome to Awake at the Wheel. So in previous episodes, we've spoken a lot about American politics because generally speaking, there wasn't a whole lot of shake up going on over here in Canada. But recently, some of you may be aware that our Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, has decided to step down. So this has, of course, caused a lot of discussion and opinions, not only in the news but also in social media. So we figured why not talk about this a bit as well from our perspective? So let's start out by watching a clip of the speech that he provided and some commentary surrounding it. So last night over dinner, I told my kids about the decision that I'm sharing with you today. I intend to resign as party leader, as prime minister, after the party selects its next leader. This country deserves a real choice in the next election. And it has become clear to me that if I'm having to fight internal battles, I cannot be the best option in that election. So many members of his own government coming to him and saying, we don't believe that you can beat Conservative leader. Conservative Party leader Pierre Puglia have in the next election an election that has to be held by the end of the year. This really leaves his party in a tough squeeze. The polls already indicate that they are more than 20 percentage points behind and now they're going to have the succession battle and it will be rough with a lot of different people putting their hat in the ring. In the meantime, you have President elect Trump coming into office. I don't have to remind you, in two weeks, threatening 25% tariffs on all Canadian goods imported into the United States. So to start out with, I'm not a political science major. I'm a psychotherapist, so I'll preface a lot of my statements with that. I certainly don't have expertise around this, but as a citizen of Canada, of course, this is something that's really concerning to me and something that I've been watching relatively closely. Even though politics is not really something that I follow too much. So I guess what I'll say first, and maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but I just can't help but feel this way. I feel bad for the guy. His marriage has failed. Everybody in the country has been shedding on this guy. He's messed up like, there's no doubt about it. And his responsibility is as our leader. But something that just sits not so great with me is just the unpatriotic nature of like the Trudeau sentiments and all of that stuff. I think that while I recognize the disappointment that our country has in him, some of that makes me feel bad for the guy. But Oren, what are your preliminary thoughts on on some of this? Okay. First, I have zero sympathy and compassion. I can empathize only because I have that ability to take someone else's perspective. But zero sympathy or compassion. You say that, you know, his marriage broke down or whatever. We don't know what happened. Right. It may be a result of everything we've seen publicly from him, maybe as a person, as a father, as a partner against all speculation. But if any of that is true within his personal life, like what we see publicly, you know, again, I don't even feel bad for him for the relationship breaking down because there's not like there's literally not one good thing I can say about him. I'm sorry. There's one I got to say this and people are mocking him when he was saying, I'm a fighter. And people are saying, yeah, and you're proving you're a fighter by quitting. So, you know, the one thing I will say is a number of years ago, he did have a boxing match with Dominic Brazeau a I think it was senator, a First Nation senator, and Dominic is a he's a tough guy. He is. I think he's raised in the streets and he was built and jacked and everything. Trudeau didn't only step up, but he actually won. So I'm going to give him that. Okay. And I know there are some physical feats that he can do that I've seen that he does with, you know, showing his core strength. So if you asked me for any positive things about him, those, you know, give him his do, that's literally the only positive thing I can say about him. So there's a lot more I can say, but of course I will. I'll stop now. We'll get back into it after. So what are your thoughts surrounding the comments that people make do? Have you taken issue with it being unpatriotic or kind of crossing a line? So, I mean, it's obviously crude when people are saying f Trudeau, especially to his face and everything like that. But, you know, I'm a I'm a free speech absolutist, basically. So I think people should have the right to say that now. If people were saying, you know, with Trump's I'm going to call it rhetoric about making Canada the 51st state and so on. I mean, I see that just as bloviating. And like I, I don't see that as anything other than, you know, again, bluster. It's not it's not real. If we're wrong or if I'm wrong, sorry, I'll come back and acknowledge that from my cell. Okay. But. I've heard a number of intelligent, high functioning people saying that they would welcome, you know, like an annexation. All right. Some kind of different relationship with the states. And I've heard various degrees of what they would welcome. All right. So I can understand from a financial a tax base, from, you know, trading from all these things, I can understand people saying that. All right. I do to a certain degree, that is completely by definition, unpatriotic, for sure. Okay. So I understand the logic behind it. Right. But I wouldn't want to, you know, to just bend over and say, yes, please, you know, take us over. That would destroy what we are. Okay. So, you know, so that is unpatriotic. So I do think that that's bizarre that some people are so willing to do that. On the other hand, if I had a gun to my head and I was told either you annex and this might sound like hyperbole, but I would have to like, I've really thought about this. I'm not just saying some stuff. My head if someone said either Canada continues in the path that it is going right, or you annex with the states in some capacity and you go in the direction that seems to be going, I would take that route because what I've seen about Canada, where it's going and this is not just me and you're I'm not a political major as well. I've spoken to I'm sorry. Listen to very many people who do have far more knowledge and intelligence and ability to analyze the situation that I have. And I try to be unbiased. I listen from all sides of the spectrum. Right. And I think the most credible and unbiased people truly are saying that they've seen what's happening in Canada, in other countries. That went a really bad path. And, you know, they often are talking about socialism, communism. We are a, you know, quasi socialist country, which, you know, in the sense of taking care of the weakest, making sure that we have health care, whatever you want to call it. We have, you know, trying to make sure that people have access and everything like that. I you know, I agree in that regard has to be done much better. But, you know, I agree in that. But when I hear about going full on socialist or actual communism, I'm hearing about how many people have infiltrated the different levels of either government or industry within Canada. When I hear how so much of again, within our different industries, not just government but other industries, including education, that there are people with very questionable motives, definitely questionable histories and beliefs, What I'm hearing, how much power they're having, I am telling you, I don't think it's hyperbole at all. It's not scare a fear mongering story when people say that we are going that, you know, the route of communism. And I'm hearing actual people who come from communist countries saying that. Okay. So that's what worries me. So if I had a choice, I would go the route of, you know, of America. Having said that, if Kamala Harris got elected, I think they'd be going in a similar direction full on communism. No, I think America structure wouldn't allow that to happen. But a continued ongoing deterioration of all the different services we have of, you know, was just people feeling no hope. I mean, there's a palpable change since Trump got elected where, you know, even people who don't like Trump and I'm one of those people, I don't like him, but I'm seeing so many people with a sense of hope. And I must think many people terrified, of course. But I'm seeing signs of hope. And ever since Trudeau, you know, announced his resignation with the people I'm hearing from, whether it's my patients, whether it's friends, whether it's people I'm seeing online, there's also that sense of hope. Maybe there's a chance to cause a way to course correct and try to fix all the damage that Trudeau and his colleagues have done or his cronies have done. As a long winded answer, I'm sorry, but. Yeah, no, but I think you touched on a lot of important things. And I guess on on the topic of hope, while I may not have a political science background, I am looking at this from the sociological and psychological perspective, and I think that you're completely correct that a lot of people have lost hope. And so I'll put my tinfoil hat on here because I have been doing that a little bit, I would say a lot a bit lately because a lot of this doesn't make sense, right? So when things don't make sense, I feel like there's there's more to it that we're not seeing or not hearing or not fully grasping or at least myself. So I think that there and this certainly isn't a psychological term, but I think there is some element of outrage, fatigue that we're all experiencing where there is just so much wrong, not only here at home in Canada, but across the world. And I think it's hard for us to maintain our attention and focus on one bad thing, and we are just so fatigued and drained. So interestingly, and this is especially interesting because when when doing some reading for preparation for this episode, I found myself just blatantly not giving a shit. And that's important because I give a shit about a lot of things, hence the whole point of this podcast. So that really struck me as odd that me somebody who is so socially focused and caring about what's happening in the world around me just feels so fatigued from all of this. That made me kind of think, Well, what else is going on? So that I think leads into exactly what you were saying in terms of, you know, people are observing that there's there's a lot going on behind the scenes that is self-serving for these individuals and not in the best interests of Canada. Well, definitely. I mean, that's always been the case in every government. Right. Or whatever power structure. There's things going on behind the scenes that is not in the best interest of the public necessarily, no matter how they sell it. And my hope is always that, you know, somehow the benefit outweighs the damage. Let's see how and I know that the people who are benefiting the most are truly the people who are in power, whether it's the people outward facing the government or the people behind them, the lobbyists, the corporations, you know, all these special interest groups that we know really do really run the show behind the scenes. I mean, that's the reality. And I have a number of patients who are in politics, you know, at different levels of government in Canada. And the things that they tell me, it just it makes me so enraged because they all see it. They know it. And I think I may have mentioned this before, but my patients, they one of the reasons they feel so despondent is that they actually want to do good. They want to help the country. They want to save money. They want to you know, they want to do what's best for the government. Sorry, for the for the people. That's why they joined government. And they're seeing that they are the anomaly within the system. And it's so it's enraging when I hear that obviously not the only people, but those kind of people are the minority. And it's not just the ones with the best intentions, it's also the most capable and the best and brightest and most capable are not the ones who get elevated within our government. Really, it's not. And it's not just the ideas. Destroy our country. It really. I'm sorry, that's hyperbole. Sorry. Die has contributed to, I think, a degradation of our country on every single level. Right. Every single service system and so on. And you know that we've talked about that a lot. I get that. But it's not just that this predates D-I. It's politics within politics. It's the people who can kiss ass. The best is the people who have the contacts and so on, who can somehow exert influence again, because they have either money or resources or something that the people in power want. So when I and those are the people who get elevated or they elevate their own people and again, seeing how the sausage is made, it really upsets the stomach, you know, when it comes to politics. So and by the way, just earlier today, I was listening to our our old friend Scott Adams, and he was talking about how he was hearing some people saying and I don't know who it was. These are insiders, but saying that the people inside Trudeau's government were always saying he was never in charge. They said, now again, this is all just hearsay. So I don't know if it's true or not. It's like fifth hand information, but he was saying that they were saying that, you know, if Trudeau didn't read the papers, Trudeau really wasn't on top of things, that he was considered a relationship manager. He's you know, he's a pretty face. He's one out there. He's trying to make this all more palatable to the public as they're shoving shut down our throats. We're supposed to you know, he's trying to tell us that it's it's putting so and that he's supposed to help, you know, I guess keep the peace among all the different insiders and all the people around him and everything. That's what they were saying, that he doesn't either not dictate policy at all. So maybe it's true. Maybe it's not. It would make sense, given what I think about him, how incompetent I believe he is, how lacking in intellectual rigor I believe he is, how not, Again, this all my opinion, right? This is my impression from seeing him. I've never system so I don't know. But seeing it publicly I think that there's not one sincere bone in his body. I'm sorry. And I just want to say this because I like that speech. There are two things about that. One is then tone again, to me it just oozed the same insincerity. Felt like pander, saying. It's, it's pandering, it's bad. It always feels like bad acting. And the funny thing is, I post this a few a little while ago where I was saying, I've heard I've had some people in my life who say, that Trudeau's speech when it when his father died. And I think Trudeau was 29 at the time and he gave his speech in front everyone and they're saying it was so passionate and impassioned and and blah blah. And they're saying that and they all, you know, and so some of them that was what led them to see him today. And they don't see all the philosophy or some of them said, I remember him back then, Why has he become the way he has? And I've actually gotten that clip, you know, on YouTube. I show them, I say, watch it again. And most of them look and they go, That's not how I remember it. Okay. And it's funny, they wrote on I said to me when I first saw it live, okay, I said, it looks like a junior high school actor, like a bad theater student at the junior high school. And it's funny. So Barbara Kennedy. A drama teacher. He was a drama teacher, yes. Okay. And obviously not a very good one, if that's how he acts. So again, I said it like it is very specific about a drama student, because not just bad acting. There's all this, you know, this emoting above it. And you know, that's what has that insincerity. So Barbara K a a newspaper columnist and a writer, she said that this is why she said a lot of the Jewish women call him, They basically say he's like a 13 year old Jewish boy. And so the the meaning is like at the bar mitzvah. Now, I've I've not been to many I've been to one bar mitzvah, so I haven't seen it. But apparently, like these, you know, these little Jewish 13 year old boys trying to make these grandiose speeches and bubble for everyone. They speak in the same kind of with like manner and cadence and so on. And so that's what they're all saying. Basically, it's as insincere as that. And as someone who has who's lacks the self-awareness to know how bad they look. Okay. But he was 29 when he did that speech. Right. And people should say, well, you shouldn't You know, some people say, well, why are you picking on is a funeral, blah, blah. If he had if he had been crying, if he was unable to get the words out, if he stumbled, I wouldn't pick on him because it's an emotional time. I say, no, that speech just shows how insincere he is. And I urge everybody, fine. I just type in, you know, Trudeau's speech at his father's funeral procession, whatever you call it, watch it. And that, I think, encapsulates who he is. Now, I could be wrong. I'm not diagnosing him here, but that's my impression of him. So the speech a few days ago when he resigned to me, it felt the same. It wasn't as you didn't emote as much, but it was as insincere. And by the way, one more thing. If I forget what he said, I like, I wouldn't can it deserves the best or the Liberal Party or the best, whatever. I wouldn't be able to do that if I'm fighting internal battles. Okay. Instead of saying something else while you know there's some disagreement, but you know, it's a consensus is that, you know, we need new leadership or I want to do what's best for the party or something like that. At least that's a bit more gracious. This basically was blaming everybody else as he's done every time. I don't know if I ever heard him take full on actual accountability for the things that he's done wrong. I don't hear it. And every time you almost think he's sort of doing it, you'll throw in some either lie or a distortion or some kind of passive aggressive comment, you know, which is unfortunately typical for many people in certain, let's say, political orientations or ideologies. They do the same thing all the time. But again, even in that speech, it resonates with you. Blaming others is not my I'm not leaving because I know I'm going to lose. I'm not leaving because that's what the country wants. I'm leaving because I don't want to have to fight these these traitors in my party. Okay? That's what it comes down to. Yeah. And I see all of that too. And you've countered most of the point that I was about to just make. But just to play devil's advocate, at least somewhat here, I think in part, though, being in a position of leadership, whether it's as our Prime Minister or otherwise, you do have to put up a certain face, even if like the shit's hitting the fan in the background, you have to show up and, you know, keep a straight face, keep the game face on and keep things moving. So in his defense, with him not showing too much real emotion, I wonder if there is some element of leadership strategy there, perhaps, perhaps not based on some of those other things that you said there. But that's a thought that came to mind. Well, but it's not that I'm saying he didn't show any emotion like initial real emotion, because you never did motion and. Yeah, yeah. It's again, even when people give speeches, people I mean he's been in the public long enough, in the spotlight long enough that he should know how to be able to deliver something. I think that that lack of sincerity just is it negates the ability to be able to, again, even pretend to be sincere. Because even if you're acting again like I've I've done, you know, I've done so many interviews publicly, but the ones that were the hardest was when I was brought on to certain TV shows where there was a script and I had to not see the script. I couldn't be spontaneous. And I was like, I think, you know, it didn't sound like I was being insincere, but I sound like I was scripted. There is a difference there, scripted and then insincere. And again, so in that speech there was that emotion. But it was it just wasn't, as, you know, as grandiose as as at his father's funeral, but it was still there. I did see it, but it was just again, the emotion I see is one of insincerity. Okay. That's yeah. And that scripted ness, that's what I thought as soon as I watched as like he didn't write this, that these are his words. Somebody told him to say this and he's just saying words. It didn't I didn't feel any sincere emotion either. So back to what you were saying before that some and I just want to clarify to make sure I understand correctly. So you've heard that some watch that and maybe had a more positive impression and then rewatched it and then realized it was insincere. Knows about the funeral. The funeral. Okay. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Because it's so long ago. It was like 20 something years ago, 25 years ago, maybe something is 22 or 24, 24 years ago that when he gave that speech. So people's memories, they just they had an image of him. Right. And look, we know as humans, we're not analytical machines, most of us. So we go by emotion, We go by feeling, we go by, you know, sentiment. So that's they were just remembering this is for so for whatever reason, I guess because there's such fondness for the Trudeau family, I mean, he's our Kennedys, right? So the thing with the Kennedys, if you look at the Kennedy family for who they really are, there's very few good things you can say about them. I mean, some of the Kennedys did some good things, but also just the behind the scenes of just what a you know, a let's say they were what they call Camelot in in the States. Right. But the reality is it's pretty I'm not the greatest family at all. Right. But there's that image. And I think there's Trudeau had that as well. And of course, he rode his father's coattails. I mean, if he had come off just on the scene without any name, I don't I would hope that he would not have ever got elected in the first place. Yeah. And I think what's at play there as far as the image of the family and I'll say the image of Trudeau and his representation of the party, I think there is a level of cognitive dissonance that exists that everybody who knows me knows that I don't talk about religion in politics, but I do find myself talking a lot more about politics lately because of all of this going on and the way in which it's affected me. So I always used to support the Liberal Party back when they were true liberals, right? But over the nine years of his leadership, the Liberal Party has twisted into some something that it wasn't before. So the cognitive dissonance that I'm referring to here is I think that many people are still holding on to what it was and hoping or expecting that it either is still that or will morph back into that. But the reality is they were in the center and now they're not. They've gone so far left that they're unrecognizable. But the name is still the same and the leader is still the same. Right. And, you know, it's it's very tricky when, you know, politics. It's one of the identities that people hold more, you know, more strongly than most identities. And so, yeah, so when you identify with this organization, this party for so long and you have the same or you thought you had the same values, ideals, agendas and so on, it can be very difficult to say to, to recognize when they have shifted so much because, you know, I mean, it's almost like you're losing a body part. It's part of right. So, yeah, there is a lot of cognitive dissonance. And as we've talked about many times, the average person is not rational. And so when you see the evidence that what you thought was true is not the average person initially is not able to step back and see this objectively or as objectively as possible, say, whoa, okay, they're changing. I need to rethink this. Instead, they distort reality. They'll they'll shoot the messenger. They'll be upset with the person who's pointing out, you know, how things have changed, how things have gone sideways and it takes quite some time for them to finally be able to unhook themselves from, you know, from those old beliefs, because it's very hard. And again, we've talked about this before with cognitive dissonance reduction. It's the fact that people are the average, quote unquote, healthy person in North America wants to see him or herself as good and smart. And so if we do something that's not so good or not so smart, most people have a hard time being able to say, I am good, I am smart, but I did something stupid or bad. Rather, it's if I did something stupid or bad, that means I'm stupid or bad that clashes with my belief that I am good or great. So they can't handle that. So they distort reality. And that's, you know, in a nutshell the process. So it does take a lot for most people to be able to unhook themselves from those previous beliefs, no matter how much, how strong the evidence is. And Trudeau pushed and pushed and pushed Portugal and everybody else in the party. And now finally, finally, you know, people are seeing reality for what it is. But the problem is and I don't know Pierre Paglia, I don't know him personally. A few years ago, I used to like just because of how snarky he was and how, like, I liked his attitude. But I, you know, quite frankly, I don't think he's sincere at all. He spent most of his life in politics. I don't trust someone who's lived virtually his entire life in politics or adult life. So I don't think he has strong values. I think he's an opportunist. You know, people say he's a populist. There's not necessarily something wrong with a populist. It depends on how it plays out. Okay. But for the people, I'm just concerned because, again, people the average person is not that analytical. So it's more of swinging between extremes. And so instead of saying, okay, I definitely don't want Trudeau, however, Hollywood has not shown me that he can truly know that he hasn't really stricken me as, like I said, this sincere, value driven person who's going to be solid, blah blah. I don't know that yet. Okay. So but a lot of people, they can't say that. Instead, they go, He's going to save us. He's going to reverse course. He's going to and they're going to be in for a big surprise because he's not going to do all of that. I hope he'll do some right. But we have to see him. We have to see him accurately. Otherwise, we're going to have the same problem that always happens when you switch from one government to the other. It's just because you're so turned off by one government. They are not going to come back for several cycles. And in the meantime, you're saying, no, I still I just can't ever go back to that. So you take the other choice and you're not holding them to account as much as you should. And I really hope the people are going to probably have to account not just seeing him as the savior, but seeing him realistically. And again, like I said, I just haven't seen enough of him to think that I like that he's going to save us. I just anyones better than Trudeau at this point, or Jagmeet Singh, quite frankly. Well, and you know, I recognize the hypocrisy of what I'm going to say because it's it's awfully crass what I'm about to say here, but it's very uneducated sounding as well. But I think ultimately we're in a situation of same shit, different pile. Like, I don't think that anybody, any party, any person is is going to save us the way that people are suggesting that may happen. I think that, again, all of these individuals seem very self-interested and have some sort of plan or agenda already in play. And it's just a matter of convincing people to put them in power. Right? Yeah. And I mean, that's, I think, realistic. And so like I said, I think we have to be so vigilant. I hope the country is very vigilant and just make sure that, again, we hold people to account and and and also be realistic in our expectations. Because the worst thing would be if Polyakov doesn't do enough of this, he's trying and the government is trying to make these changes, but there's so much damage has already been done and they're on on the path to doing it. And everyone says, well, no, it's not enough, or you lied and and suddenly you go back to, you know, to the other choice, whether it's Liberal or NDP, either of which I believe would be a disaster. So and I just have to be very clear here. I historically as well, when the Liberal Party was Liberal, I voted Liberal. I used to vote NDP depending on in the different levels of government. So I am a people don't believe it, but I am a liberal at heart for sure. Okay. But I just I'm not a leftist anymore. And I used to be a leftist until leftism became socialism and communism. Right? So anyway, so I mean. And that is, is if I can just touch on that, that's a scary thing too, I think, because many of us are finding ourselves in this like political no man's land, right? Where I guess looking at myself, I guess I should be conservative given my religious values and I'm a business owner, etc., etc.. But I just I don't think that everyone's able to really find themselves identifying as solidly as perhaps in the past. Yeah. And, and, but the thing is, I think that's wise because if people identify too rigidly and do you know, they adhere to it too powerfully, they can't see the problem, they can't see the change and they say, no, I'm this for life. So I think it is good to be able to say I am right, but I don't think enough people are. I really don't. And again, back to this whole idea of hope, whether it's the Trump effect, whether it's Trudeau resigning, whether it's all these other changes in Western governments recently. Right. It does seem that I'm just I'm again, not for everybody. I know a lot of people are panicking. They're thinking that it's going to be Armageddon and that, you know, the right as the far right has taken over the world and everything. Right. So but I am seeing a lot of reasonable people. I'm seeing people in positions of authority, of power, of influence, you know, the ones who know more about these things than I do. And, you know, whether the patients, friends, people on the Internet, but I am seeing so many, like I said, and I think it's so important they're finally saying, I'm having a sense of hope. I really am. And I've had just so you know, and you've probably heard this as well. I've had a number of patients, again, high level patients in society saying I'm going to I'm really seriously contemplating leaving Canada. I just can't do it anymore. Right. So and it's not unique. Lots of people leave countries and it's usually because it's either because of taxes or policies or both. Or both. Yeah, right. Yeah. Okay. And that's what I'm hearing is also maturing on the identity is changing. It's one it's more about it's having a direct impact on my family, my life. Yeah. Right. So yeah, so I want people to have hope. I really do. Again, not false hope, but some hope because without hope, what do we have exactly? And I guess hope is a word of the day today, because I think that it's really all that we can have in moments like this when we are feeling overwhelmed and fatigued and unsure and like there isn't a whole lot of guidance. And I think that many people in these situations then choose to not vote. And I don't think, again, looking at our patriotic duty, looking at our duties as citizens, I think we still need to we still need to ensure that our say is is heard. And I think doing as much reading and research and relying on reliable sources of information to discern, you know, where do you stand politically now and who fits the most with your values, Because I think that's what it ultimately comes down to is values. And like I alluded to before, my values, I think in large part have stayed the same. But the political climate has changed so drastically that I need to now kind of find my home politically as well as I think that many people are probably going to find themselves in that same position. Yeah, and I do hope you're right. First of all, you said like to find credible sources. It's so hard to know what is credible. So. Right. So I encourage people all the time you try to find you tried to find credible sources, talk to people that you trust, ask who they listen to. Right. And then also again, you try to go around the spectrum. You don't just go into your camp. You find people on other sides, even if you disagree with them, at least it's like, hey, I hadn't thought about that. Or that's a different perspective than what I've been told. And try to do with an open mind. And what's so important and this is it goes back to the ability to fight cognitive dissonance reduction is recognizing that changing my opinion based on facts or information that I wasn't aware of or a different perspective that doesn't make you weak. It doesn't make you a flip flopper. It makes you better informed, and it's a sign that you're not so arrogant that you do have the ability to revise or adapt your beliefs, perspectives and so on with more information. That's a high functioning person who's able to do that. It's not flip flopping. So I do hope people do leave themselves as open or try to be as open minded as possible and not to take it personally. That's the whole thing. Again, being wrong about something or changing your opinion. I mean, it's something you're doing personally, but it's not. It's not. It doesn't mean that you, as a human being, are a bad person, right? It means you're a better citizen when you're better informed again, and you have the ability to, you know, to to make decisions based on what's going on up here, not what's in your heart. Absolutely. So, listeners, we want to hear what you think in the comments about Trudeau stepping down, about what we've discussed today. Are you finding yourself in a position where you have to reevaluate your political views? Let us know. Okay. And I'm going to leave one more thing before we go on this, which is I'm back to this, you know, this feeling of hope. There's one more thing, which is I am hearing people and as ever since Trump was elected, but even with Trudeau in the last couple of months, I am hearing so many people of all ages saying, I feel finally that I'm able to talk more freely. Right? I'm not sorry. Now we still have some laws on the books that make it hard to talk. Is really as we should, or to make it to be able to practice as freely as we should be able to. But there is that sense. And just even that when I'm listening to people talking that, yeah, I'm able to say things, whether it's a family dinner or online that I would be terrified to say before. And I will say to all the people who were able to say this before, you've been saying it, I've been saying it, you know, much to the chagrin of many of our colleagues and friends and, you know, at risk to our reputations and to our careers. But what I'll say is this when if you if you're one of those people who has been speaking out for many years, whether it's about COVID or about politics or about what have you. Right. Or political correctness, you know, gender, ideology, whatever it is, if people finally are coming around, not because there's more evidence, but simply because now it's safer to do so, don't begrudge them or, you know, welcome them with open arms. Right. You know, you might be a little bit suspicious. Are they doing it because they for cynical reasons, are they doing it out of self-interest or are they doing it because, again, once again, either wow, I had no idea or I always knew. But now I feel safe. You know, it doesn't matter if they come on the side with good intention, not the, you know, the cynical or self-serving reasons. But if they come with good intention, welcome them. Don't make them feel like crap. Okay? Because that's how we, you know, implement change is getting more people on board. So it isn't that ironic the the safety Right. Safety I think was weaponized for such a long time with all the DEA initiatives and all the the leftist ways of being. But I think you're right that people who are open minded and maybe more centrist or logical, do you feel safe now? So I just want to point out that that irony that that weaponized safety seems to really be coming to fruition in a real way. Right? Well, yeah. So on on this hopeful hand, they say safer notes until next time, keep your eyes on the road and your hands upon the wheel.